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		<title>By: Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#8211; If Liquidated &#124; Smart Stocks Investing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#8211; If Liquidated &#124; Smart Stocks Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year ago we wrote a post on Trident Microsystems, Inc. (TRID) and why we believed there was a lot of value in the company. If [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#8211; If Liquidated &#124; Reaction Radio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#8211; If Liquidated &#124; Reaction Radio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trident Microsystems Still Holds Value &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sivaram, you make a valid argument and one I initially can&#039;t argue against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sivaram, you make a valid argument and one I initially can&#8217;t argue against.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivaram Velauthapillai</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivaram Velauthapillai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not trying to be stubborn ;) but I still disagree Jim. Your calculation ignores the future value of the company. If nothing ever changes and future earnings were zero then, yes, the difference is small (I didn&#039;t check your numbers but probably the 2% you cite.) 

However, that&#039;s the case with businesses that are going concerns. By giving away ownership, you give future potential profits. Your calculation is simply looking at present asset values whereas the shares are a claim on the lifetime earnings of the company. Paying in shares only helps shareholders if, as ValueHunter points out, management feels that the share price is overvalued and will fall.

I have to look it up but you may want to check out one of Warren Buffett&#039;s shareholder letters (any Buffett fan know which one?) where he says one of his greatest mistakes was paying for, I believe, Dairy Queen (?) in Berkshire Hathaway shares. The amount he paid for the company ended up being several hundread million in the end--far more than any cash amount he would have paid--because he gave away the profits earned by Berkshire.

(Having said all that, if I was Micronas and viewed Trident favourably, I would ask for shares as well. Perhaps it would have been impossible to buy Micronas without paying in shares. The fact that they had to issue warrants sort of indicates that Trident has on the losing end of the negotiating table. Who knows; but paying in shares is a bad move in general.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not trying to be stubborn <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  but I still disagree Jim. Your calculation ignores the future value of the company. If nothing ever changes and future earnings were zero then, yes, the difference is small (I didn&#8217;t check your numbers but probably the 2% you cite.) </p>
<p>However, that&#8217;s the case with businesses that are going concerns. By giving away ownership, you give future potential profits. Your calculation is simply looking at present asset values whereas the shares are a claim on the lifetime earnings of the company. Paying in shares only helps shareholders if, as ValueHunter points out, management feels that the share price is overvalued and will fall.</p>
<p>I have to look it up but you may want to check out one of Warren Buffett&#8217;s shareholder letters (any Buffett fan know which one?) where he says one of his greatest mistakes was paying for, I believe, Dairy Queen (?) in Berkshire Hathaway shares. The amount he paid for the company ended up being several hundread million in the end&#8211;far more than any cash amount he would have paid&#8211;because he gave away the profits earned by Berkshire.</p>
<p>(Having said all that, if I was Micronas and viewed Trident favourably, I would ask for shares as well. Perhaps it would have been impossible to buy Micronas without paying in shares. The fact that they had to issue warrants sort of indicates that Trident has on the losing end of the negotiating table. Who knows; but paying in shares is a bad move in general.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point to ponder I believe is this.

&quot;Trident will also issue warrants to Micronas to acquire up to 3.0 million additional Trident shares. One million warrants will vest on each of the second, third and fourth anniversaries of the closing of the acquisition, with exercise prices of $4.00 per share, $4.25 per share and $4.50 per share, respectively.&quot;

I think this paragraph describes the due diligence taken into account by both parties of the acquisition. Obviously  Micronas Semiconductor isn&#039;t going to give away $35 Million in revenue for $11 Million is stock. What would they have to gain by dong so? They&#039;ve obviously valuated the business at least $4.00 per share. That would give them something to gain if it hit that target in the near future. So, TRID is getting $35 Million of leverage and it is only costing them $11 Million to do so and Micronas is taking a huge discount to their worth initially because they have a strong feeling that their newly acquired stock is worth at least $4.00 per share. What does this do for the shareholder who bought in at $1.30 per share? Puts a hell of a big smile on my face :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to ponder I believe is this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Trident will also issue warrants to Micronas to acquire up to 3.0 million additional Trident shares. One million warrants will vest on each of the second, third and fourth anniversaries of the closing of the acquisition, with exercise prices of $4.00 per share, $4.25 per share and $4.50 per share, respectively.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this paragraph describes the due diligence taken into account by both parties of the acquisition. Obviously  Micronas Semiconductor isn&#8217;t going to give away $35 Million in revenue for $11 Million is stock. What would they have to gain by dong so? They&#8217;ve obviously valuated the business at least $4.00 per share. That would give them something to gain if it hit that target in the near future. So, TRID is getting $35 Million of leverage and it is only costing them $11 Million to do so and Micronas is taking a huge discount to their worth initially because they have a strong feeling that their newly acquired stock is worth at least $4.00 per share. What does this do for the shareholder who bought in at $1.30 per share? Puts a hell of a big smile on my face <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When speaking on diluting shares rather than hard assets, I&#039;m only applying that logic to this circumstance. Every circumstance as you know is different and in this particular one, I&#039;d choose diluting the shares. I want to make it absolutely clear that no two businesses should be evaluated the same. That would be a huge error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When speaking on diluting shares rather than hard assets, I&#8217;m only applying that logic to this circumstance. Every circumstance as you know is different and in this particular one, I&#8217;d choose diluting the shares. I want to make it absolutely clear that no two businesses should be evaluated the same. That would be a huge error.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woops, I meant 17% LOL. I&#039;m up over 45% in a completely different stock I was looking at the same time :) 17% is good though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woops, I meant 17% LOL. I&#8217;m up over 45% in a completely different stock I was looking at the same time <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  17% is good though <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if it is, I hope they keep on doing it because I&#039;m up a little over 45% in it so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if it is, I hope they keep on doing it because I&#8217;m up a little over 45% in it so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://valuehuntr.com/2009/03/31/trident-microsystems-inc-nasdaqtrid/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still disagree and here&#039;s why. Leverage is good. This company doesn&#039;t have much debt so taking on any leverage is not a bad proposition. Here&#039;s some quick numbers. They reported that they will have $200 Million in cash. I have no idea what their liabilities will be so I&#039;m leaving them at $56 Million where they currently are. Their outstanding shares are currently 62.86 Million.

Dilution of shares:

$200 Million in cash
- $56.37 Million in TL
= $143.63 Million
/ 62.86 million shares + 7 Million extra issued

= Share Price of $2.06 per share in cash


Dilution of hard assets

$200 Million in cash
- $11 Million (initial cost of acquiring the business, I believe this number would be higher if it was a cash deal)
- $56.37 Million in TL
= $132.63 Million
/ 62.86 million shares

= $2.11 per share in cash

So, you get a whopping 2.42% immediate advantage to purchasing the business with hard assets rather than shares. Not a big enough difference to make a difference in my opinion. Further more, with that little of difference, I&#039;ll gladly pay for the hamburger next Tuesday in order to eat it today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still disagree and here&#8217;s why. Leverage is good. This company doesn&#8217;t have much debt so taking on any leverage is not a bad proposition. Here&#8217;s some quick numbers. They reported that they will have $200 Million in cash. I have no idea what their liabilities will be so I&#8217;m leaving them at $56 Million where they currently are. Their outstanding shares are currently 62.86 Million.</p>
<p>Dilution of shares:</p>
<p>$200 Million in cash<br />
- $56.37 Million in TL<br />
= $143.63 Million<br />
/ 62.86 million shares + 7 Million extra issued</p>
<p>= Share Price of $2.06 per share in cash</p>
<p>Dilution of hard assets</p>
<p>$200 Million in cash<br />
- $11 Million (initial cost of acquiring the business, I believe this number would be higher if it was a cash deal)<br />
- $56.37 Million in TL<br />
= $132.63 Million<br />
/ 62.86 million shares</p>
<p>= $2.11 per share in cash</p>
<p>So, you get a whopping 2.42% immediate advantage to purchasing the business with hard assets rather than shares. Not a big enough difference to make a difference in my opinion. Further more, with that little of difference, I&#8217;ll gladly pay for the hamburger next Tuesday in order to eat it today.</p>
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